Press conference Q&A with Ursula von der LEYEN, President of the European Commission and Edi RAMA, Albanian Prime Minister
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Thank you.
Provides for certain limitations for the rights of the members who will join the European Union in the future.
Is this a mechanism to accelerate the entry of these countries?
Which in a way discriminates these countries by not providing them with full rights and fully fledged rights like those that are already at the table sitting at the table and Prime Minister,
you are one of those Prime Ministers of those aspiring countries who sometimes has insisted on membership even without fully fledged rights.
Do you have a comment on this, and did you speak to the President of the Commission.
About the present situation that has come about following the arrest of the head of the intelligence service of Albania and you said that our partners have no words about how this was actually managed by and when it is about information that can violate national security and was that violated by the fact that the head of the intelligence service provided sensitive information to an individual who was wanted by our justice institutions.
In relation to The first part of your question.
In terms of I have all the reasons and arguments, that is.
To Defend the conviction that the right of veto is not a right. That is good for the European Union.
Neither is it a right it serves any good purpose to the EU Member States, but since you say it is right that we allegedly are actually asking for this and doing this,
I'm actually, I would like to remind you that Albania consistently has been the victim of the exercising of this right,
a victim.
Of a veto Or rather,
a mechanism which in the present day and time is a mechanism that has become redundant in my view.
On the other hand, I believe that by Defending this idea,
we Albania say Albania is actually missing out.
I do not believe so because I do not think that Albania will ever need the veto to play the macho at the table of a family at the table of a family in which we should feel privileged to be a part as equals amongst equals and not to get to the point where we Can actually say bang the table with our fists.
So this, I think, is a more extensive subject, but just to give an answer to your question,
which of course you used just so that you could continue with the latter part of the question.
This is how you, as an experienced journalist, feel you can get into the topic.
In relation to the second part, perhaps you can ask yourselves why is it that the European Union,
why is it that the European Commission, when it comes to topics which here are treated like reasons. To Strike at or.
Disseminate waves of desperation are seen as reasons instead to consider Albania.
A very serious partner instead and a country.
When it comes to its aspirations, it knows that its aspirations are firmly linked to the facts of a genuine daily effort in all fields and aspects,
and amongst these the proof with no compromise whatsoever against organized crime and corruption.
So you should ask yourselves this question because What Can be seen by many as a regress.
On the other hand, from the European Union,
the European Commission can be seen as progress, and it's not simply progress alone. It is transformation. Today we live at a time.
Of self transformation like never before, and if we didn't call self transformation the time when Albania became a totally isolated country with a claim that it was the light of world communism,
so far as I am concerned, we more than ever before are on the right path.
As I said, and I will reiterate and repeat, and I will repeat it whenever I can.
Up until just yesterday, corruption was the system.
Today, for the very first time ever, this country has a system which has and it gains on a daily basis self-correcting,
self-cleansing capabilities of the antibodies any democratic system has thanks to the separation of powers in which every power minds its own business and works hard at that part.
When it comes to sensitive information,
this is a topic and a matter which I myself believe that must be left to the.
It must not be left up to sporadic reading of investigative documents that are leaked so as the Albanian public gets ever more confused.
On the contrary, we should leave them up to the courts.
The process itself will show as to whether there is or there is not anything or things that have violated,
if at all, our national security or the credibility.
Vivis our partners, but the news I can give you is that this type of concern, which comes from those who have put out this information,
the agitators of these documents that have been leaked and right,
center and left has not actually been raised by any partner, no partner whatsoever.
So when I speak of partners that have nothing to say, like no words to say, I meant about.
The political and geopolitical allies, I meant the partners who have worked and continue to work with the intelligence service,
yes, they have nothing to say.
They have no words because what was done to the service with the way the matter was addressed and dealt with was unprecedented in the.
But it is still part of a process we are going through so I expect nothing more and nothing less than the fact that the prosecutors should continue their work untroubled that the courts continues,
will continue to do what they are meant to do and then we will see the results. Two questions very briefly. The first to the President.
The fight against corruption is one of the main pillars for Albania to join the EU at the present moment in Albania,
we have high level officials who are being investigated for corruption as well as other offenses.
What is the The reading of the EU on this, is this the strengthening of the justice system, or is it, for instance, rather a problem that corruption can actually affect Albania in its accession path adversely,
and to the Prime Minister, what you said in Renes, Prime Minister,
you reiterated your position that the Theibility is an individual one.
Do you feel any political responsibility for the appointments made?
Are we setting a standard for your successors, for future prime ministers to take political positions,
delegation of power, but not to face any political or public foray at all?
I did not I did not really understand what you were trying to get to, but I will try to answer in terms of what I think I understood in terms of political responsibility,
I think that is something repeated ad continuum,
ad nauseam in the general public discourse in Albania.
And I cannot possibly claim that I can make you change the way you understand political responsibility.
What I can do, however, is reiterate and repeat that my political responsibility is one and a single one alone,
and that is that justice reform. Does not stop.
That the fight against corruption and organized crime and The fight against anything else which goes against the whole body of state from Actions that are in violation of the law for this to take place ever,
ever more enhanced as a mission of the system itself.
Because we have all lived here, you are much younger, of course,
but We were sufficiently young but also adult enough to make a judgment individually ourselves when the things we see today happening and the things that are happening today could not have possibly been conceived back then and this country I am referring to.
Was not the country and the state of that country last century,
but it was just before we undertook and embarked upon this transformational effort and embarked upon justice reform.
So should your question mean That in terms of individual responsibility of one or another.
We must respond like we did under communism.
I can tell you that that system has changed. It has been changed.
We have changed it, and should you think that when an appointment.
Is done and from that moment the responsibility of the person taking upon their shoulders the appointment because of the fact that the appointee along the way can make mistakes vis a vis ethics or what they should or should not have done.
Then yet again, this is a way of seeing things like we did in communism, but today, in this day and age we live in a democracy, and what our duty,
task, obligation is to share with the public our aims, our goals, our objectives,
to show the public what we intend to do with the support of the public.
And the funds and the revenue we collect from our taxpayers to account for the way we embark upon these efforts,
and whichever or whomever betrays this common goal.
Then they must face the repercussions on the other side of the system, which is the independent judicial system. This is how it works.
This is how democracy works, and just so that I do not go on about other things,
France, for instance, is a democratic country. It is.
And there's no question about it,
that it is a country that is very strong in terms of institutions and the Minister of Justice in France was accused of pedophilia. He did not leave his post.
The president did not take any other responsibility other than the responsibility that he should ask the justice system to do their work,
and they were innocent.
The courts said their piece, and that was it. So what else can we discuss?
This is the approach which everybody does in Rome do as the Romans do and in Albania.
We are doing things, but let me tell you that nobody is being protected when it comes to facing the repercussions of an action that is to be dealt with by the judiciary,
the investigation authorities or the independent justice institutions.
This is the beginning, this is the end of my political responsibility.
The remainder is just discussions which might have their own merits, but I'm not interested in at all.